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  DEC 2013 WT Article - Slave for Jehovah - warning: ranting ahead

  by ohnightdivine in

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  this morning's wt study almost made me vomit, stand up, pick up my bag and rush to the door.. of course it never happened.

  instead, i was able to make some nice drawings on my tablet and notepad.. if you replace the name jehovah with watchtower, or the governing 8 men, it would really make sense.. what's up with all that nonstop guilt-mongering about education and having a decent job?!.

  most people look down on the uneducated, and i remember, when i didn't have a job, nobody cared!.

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  Bungi Bill

  Billy the Ex-Bethelite,

  Thanks for posting that link. I haven't read a Watchtower in over 19 years, and I can see that I am not missing anything!

  (PS: The expression "They ought to be shot with a ball of their own $h!# comes to mind here!)

  Bill.
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  "Questions" written by JWs in 1976

  by Doug Mason in

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  i seem to recall that two sets of "questions" were put out in 1976, following the failure of the 1975 prediction.. anyway, here is the scan of one that i have; hopefully others can tell me the background.. i have made it available at:.

  http://www.jwstudies.com/_questions__by_jws__abt_1976_.pdf .

  doug.

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  Bungi Bill

  Doug,

  I remember those very well.

  In fact, I had only been married a few weeks in 1977 when my wife got hold of one of those "Questions" sheets. That then proceeded to cause the very first crisis in our marriage!

  We never did learn who wrote them, though. The last ever heard about this matter was from a Circuit Overseer, who assured us that "The Society was carrying out an investigation as to who had wriiten those 'questions'."

  Bill
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  DEC 2013 WT Article - Slave for Jehovah - warning: ranting ahead

  by ohnightdivine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this morning's wt study almost made me vomit, stand up, pick up my bag and rush to the door.. of course it never happened.

  instead, i was able to make some nice drawings on my tablet and notepad.. if you replace the name jehovah with watchtower, or the governing 8 men, it would really make sense.. what's up with all that nonstop guilt-mongering about education and having a decent job?!.

  most people look down on the uneducated, and i remember, when i didn't have a job, nobody cared!.

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  Bungi Bill

  quellycatface,

  Sounds very similar to my experience when I was 17, when the retards elders told me to abandon my apprenticeship. (Similar crap about "spirituality").

  However, unlike your husband, I listened to them.

  Somehow I manged to resume that in my mid-twenties, but it was rough going - particularly for my family.

  As you say, what right have they got to say such things to people.

  Bill

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  Compare Scientology's super power building and Watchtower Headquaters

  by Scott77 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this weekend, 15 years after work began, the church of scientologyopened its new "super power building", complete with time machine a mediterranean revival-style palace in clearwater, florida..... http://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/nov/19/inside-scientology-new-cathedral-church-religion?cmp=fb_gu .

  please, what do you think about the comparision?

  who would be winner?.

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  Bungi Bill

  Given the choice of having to choose between Scientology and the JWs:

  - I would rather commit suicide instead!

  (An opinion based entirely on experience, having once had dealings with a breakaway group from the Scientologists. No bloody way!)

  Bill.
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  Did you feel nervous before/while giving talks?

  by likeabird in

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  the subject of feeling nervous came up in sfpw recent thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/268270/2/im-curious-when-you-were-asked-to-do-a-demo-for-a-service-meeting-part-how-did-the-request-make-you-feel#.uqgz_0nd13b.

  it reminded me of a sister i knew.

  you always knew when you got to the meeting if she had a talk that night.

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  Bungi Bill

  When I first enrolled on the TMS, I had a serious problem with shyness:

  -so yes, I was very nervous!

  In the end, though, not at all - a situation that has continued to this day, over 19 years since I bade that lot goodbye.

  i.e. speaking in front of hundreds of people (like I sometimes have to do) fazes me not at all.

  Reluctant as I am to give my time with the JWs any credit at all, I would have to admit that the TMS played a major part in me overcoming that awful shyness that once plagued me - in fact almost crippled me.

  Bill
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  I gave up my job to pioneer, did you? Matt 6.33 did Jehovah provide?

  by KateWild in

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  i was a chemical analyst.

  i loved my job, and love chemistry.

  i worked in a variety of fields such a pharmaceutical and industrial.

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  Legacy,

  Interesting, and you do have a point.

  Also, good that we can engage in acivil conversation about such matters!

  Bill.
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  I gave up my job to pioneer, did you? Matt 6.33 did Jehovah provide?

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was a chemical analyst.

  i loved my job, and love chemistry.

  i worked in a variety of fields such a pharmaceutical and industrial.

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  Bungi Bill

  So, if you know some who want to pioneer advise them to count the cost first...that would be good advice, & they will thank you.

  Legacy

  I 'd be more inclined to just tell them not to be a bloody fool by selling your life to some publishing business, that's hiding behind a religious facade!

  Bill.
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  Flips and Flops: Higher Education

  by Iamallcool in

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  2. friends

  i would like to show my friend that the watchtower change their mind all the time about higher education over the years.

  they usually discourage higher education as we all know that.

  i would like to show him the wt quotes.

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  Bungi Bill

  Bizzybee,

  I have known a few - make that a very select few - cases similar to the one you cited:

  - and frankly, I don't know how they got away with it.

  It seems that a lot has got to do with who you are in the congregation, as to whether they will let you send your sons and daiughters to college - without copping serious "consequences"!

  As a member of the often cited "Class of '69", I am only now in the process of acquiring a "Higher Education", so as to retain the job I currently have:

  - because I "excercised faith that the end was near" and neither went to university back then, nor planned for a retirement (having been assured that all like me would "never grow old in this system").

  Bill.
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  I gave up my job to pioneer, did you? Matt 6.33 did Jehovah provide?

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
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  i was a chemical analyst.

  i loved my job, and love chemistry.

  i worked in a variety of fields such a pharmaceutical and industrial.

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  Bungi Bill

  Kate,

  Acting on the instructions of the elders, I threw in my apprenticeship (Telecommunications technician) so that I could enter the "full time service."

  Admittedly, this did not immediately lead to be "pioneering", but well before that year was out, that is what I was doing.

  Did Jehovah provide for me? No.

  Rather, I would pioneer (either regular or auxliary) until I ran out of funds, go back to full time work for a time, then re-enter the pioneer service:

  - and so on, almost ad finitum.

  But not quite - by the time I was 23 I had woken up to myself. Through contacts my father had in the industry, I was able to get taken on as an adult electrical apprentice (Not quite the same thing I started out with, but close enough!)

  Matt. 6:33 - tell that one to the Marines!

  Bill.
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  1973 "Divine Victory" International Assemblies

  by Bungi Bill in

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  how many here attended the "divine victory" international assembly that was held 12- 16 december in christchurch, new zealand?.

  the venue was lancaster park.

  if the truth be known, that stadium was probably a casualty of the february 2011 earthquake?.

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  Bungi Bill

  Karter,

  I never had the dubious priviledge of ever hearing either Nathan Knorr or Crazy Fred speak in person.

  Each year after 1975, what was called a "Special Talk" was held (like the one you describe in the Auckland Town Hall) . In reality, these were just an old-fashioned Pep Talk / Sales Talk / general kick up the @$$ talk by the sales manager! It went on for at least ten years afterwards, too - the last one I remember attending would have been in 1985.

  One thing that never featured in this series of "Special Talks" was any admission of responsibility (certain not of guilt) on the part of the WTS / GB for what had happened. It was all about us having become "slack." All they seemed concerned about was numbers - concern that nationally, 5% of the publishers (so they calculated) had "walked out the door of the Kingdom Hall for the last time."

  No concerns whatsoever for the harm that had happened to many of the Rank & File from following the Watchtower Madness!

  Bill.